Faramir's Nail-Knife: Essential Kit or Ithilen field mod?
Faramir's Nail-Knife: Essential Kit or Ithilen field mod?
"Unloose him Frodo!' Faramir took a small nail-knife from his belt and handed it to Frodo. Gollum misunderstanding the..."
No greater description given. So what is a nail knife? And in a Middle Earth context is it a Gondor thing, an Ithilen resistance thing, a Dunedain thing, or something else?
No greater description given. So what is a nail knife? And in a Middle Earth context is it a Gondor thing, an Ithilen resistance thing, a Dunedain thing, or something else?
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Re: Faramir's Nail-Knife: Essential Kit or Ithilen field mod?
After a bit of googling, there seem to be three possibilities.
One is a small folding pocket knife. (The type that 5 year olds get as their first knife. ) And about perfect for cutting some rope.
Another seems to be a knife forged out of a 16 penny or smaller nail. (Mostly a blackmith's learning project?) Once again fairly useful in that regard...
FInally , there is the 'French Nail-Knife', a field mod to a bayonet or tent peg made in the Trenches of WWI. Well this seems promising, Tolkien was in the Trenches, and would seem threatening enough to freak Golum out...
One is a small folding pocket knife. (The type that 5 year olds get as their first knife. ) And about perfect for cutting some rope.
Another seems to be a knife forged out of a 16 penny or smaller nail. (Mostly a blackmith's learning project?) Once again fairly useful in that regard...
FInally , there is the 'French Nail-Knife', a field mod to a bayonet or tent peg made in the Trenches of WWI. Well this seems promising, Tolkien was in the Trenches, and would seem threatening enough to freak Golum out...
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I read "nail-knife" as describing more function than a particular class of blade. That is - a knife one might pare one's nails with. So the same general role as your first option, but not necessarily the tiny folder of the current day (or Tolkien's day, for that matter).
I doubt Faramir and his men have need of jury-rigged spikes to stick orcs with. The WWI implements come from an era that had largely abandoned stabby things as primary weapons, and then suddenly found need for them again. I don't believe the same constraints are in Ithilien, where the Rangers carry purpose-made spears and swords and such. It wouldn't be the first time the good Professor has imported a technology sans its real world context (mechanical clocks, Hobbit matches) - but nonetheless that's not how I'd guess in this case.
For what it's worth, my mental image reading the line is something like a small, thin, sharp paring knife - around a 3-4" blade and similarly sized handle, worn in a typically medieval belt sheath.
That's somewhat informed by (what passes for) my own woods experience. One tends to need three classes of blade: big, durable, and choppy (hatchet or seax/choppy knife), middling and general purpose (food preparation, general use), and small-and-scalpel like (digging out splinters, trimming fletching, etc). I read Faramir's "nail-knife" then as being of the last category.
While I'd normally think one would reach for the more "general purpose" belt knife to cut rope bonds, I can easily imagine Faramir choosing the smallest blade easy to hand, given he was handing it to a child-sized hobbit.
We've all got different mental images, though.
I doubt Faramir and his men have need of jury-rigged spikes to stick orcs with. The WWI implements come from an era that had largely abandoned stabby things as primary weapons, and then suddenly found need for them again. I don't believe the same constraints are in Ithilien, where the Rangers carry purpose-made spears and swords and such. It wouldn't be the first time the good Professor has imported a technology sans its real world context (mechanical clocks, Hobbit matches) - but nonetheless that's not how I'd guess in this case.
For what it's worth, my mental image reading the line is something like a small, thin, sharp paring knife - around a 3-4" blade and similarly sized handle, worn in a typically medieval belt sheath.
That's somewhat informed by (what passes for) my own woods experience. One tends to need three classes of blade: big, durable, and choppy (hatchet or seax/choppy knife), middling and general purpose (food preparation, general use), and small-and-scalpel like (digging out splinters, trimming fletching, etc). I read Faramir's "nail-knife" then as being of the last category.
While I'd normally think one would reach for the more "general purpose" belt knife to cut rope bonds, I can easily imagine Faramir choosing the smallest blade easy to hand, given he was handing it to a child-sized hobbit.
We've all got different mental images, though.
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I think it's a southern thing, based only on the fact that Tolkien’s only other mention of a ‘nail-knife’ also takes place in Ithilien:caedmon wrote:"No greater description given. So what is a nail knife? And in a Middle Earth context is it a Gondor thing, an Ithilen resistance thing, a Dunedain thing, or something else?
“[Saelon] was humming softly, while he trimmed a whistle of green willow with a sharp nail-knife.†(The History of Middle-earth, Volume 12: The Peoples of Middle-earth, Part Four Unfinished Tales, Chapter XVI The New Shadow)
Personally, the preferred knife I use for cleaning my nails is the tiiiiny 1.5" blade on my 19th c. Pennsylvania folder (the other is 2" and used mostly for sharpening pencils).
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Cool reference! I've never focused in on that description before...always glossed over. Definitely room for thought on that one.
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Personally I would go with the third example. Tolkien 's wartime experiences would have given first hand experience of such weapons and I think it quite suitable for Faramir to be carrying such an item.
http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/french-ww1 ... duct,16309
Think of it as an early Fairbairn-Sykes dagger.
http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/french-ww1 ... duct,16309
Think of it as an early Fairbairn-Sykes dagger.
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I'd have to go with Elleth's comment. Even in the 60's my Grandfather referred to a small utility folder as a nail knife.
Faramir wasn't handing over a weapon to someone he wasn't sure of, he was handing over a tool to someone, who he didn't feel threatened by. He saw no need deter his men to guarding prisoners of no value and didn't want to have them killed which is probably what his father would have ordered, if he brought them back to Gondor.
Faramir wasn't handing over a weapon to someone he wasn't sure of, he was handing over a tool to someone, who he didn't feel threatened by. He saw no need deter his men to guarding prisoners of no value and didn't want to have them killed which is probably what his father would have ordered, if he brought them back to Gondor.
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^ What Peter said.
I think it was a small tool used primarily for paring fingernails.
I think it was a small tool used primarily for paring fingernails.
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"Fork handles or four candles?"
For me, there are some points that sway my thinking to the trench knife style.
I think the key is the word "small". I think if it was referring to a knife for trimming nails that "small" would have been omitted. It would have been understood that the knife was small and the word would have been superfluous. By using the word "small" it seems to be indicating a smaller version of a large implement. I think of it as something 6" long with a 3" blade, easily manageable for a hobbit.
The knife in the first photo would probably have been referred to as a penknife or pocket knife.
Thinking of what the knife was to be used for - cutting the cords binding Gollum - a small nail-knife (trench style) would have been more suitable. A nail-knife ( for nails) would have been inadequate , a small nail-knife even more so.
Of the two different styles of knife I think it more likely for Faramir, as a Ranger of Ithilien, to be carrying a small trench nail-knife.
But hey, having our own interpretation and vision of the books is what makes them so magical and appealing.
For me, there are some points that sway my thinking to the trench knife style.
I think the key is the word "small". I think if it was referring to a knife for trimming nails that "small" would have been omitted. It would have been understood that the knife was small and the word would have been superfluous. By using the word "small" it seems to be indicating a smaller version of a large implement. I think of it as something 6" long with a 3" blade, easily manageable for a hobbit.
The knife in the first photo would probably have been referred to as a penknife or pocket knife.
Thinking of what the knife was to be used for - cutting the cords binding Gollum - a small nail-knife (trench style) would have been more suitable. A nail-knife ( for nails) would have been inadequate , a small nail-knife even more so.
Of the two different styles of knife I think it more likely for Faramir, as a Ranger of Ithilien, to be carrying a small trench nail-knife.
But hey, having our own interpretation and vision of the books is what makes them so magical and appealing.
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Re: Faramir's Nail-Knife: Essential Kit or Ithilen field mod?
What comes to mind for me (mostly due to the usage rather than the name) is a small "patch-knife" as used by mountain men.
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Re: Faramir's Nail-Knife: Essential Kit or Ithilen field mod?
Finally got around to making a nail-knife. I Went with a small knife/patch knife idea. Sorta inspired by a kiridashi as well.
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That is lovely, and fits the description very well! Very nicely done. That's still a great reference...I may have to do something about this.
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Nice work
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Re: Faramir's Nail-Knife: Essential Kit or Ithilen field mod?
There are iron-age knives that fit the bill. Look a bit like the WWI Nail-Daggers that would be fresh in Tolkein's mind too. Iron blade with a swept-forward grip with a 'celtic' swirl:
https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/395824254721474550/
Seems straight-forward enough for a skilled iron smith to make.
https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/395824254721474550/
Seems straight-forward enough for a skilled iron smith to make.
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Hunh. Revisiting this because I just received as a Christmas gift Debby Banham's The Anglo-Saxon Monastic Sign Language / Monasteriales Indicia
(basically a short book describing the hand-signs medieval monks used while under silence - basically "how to ask for butter at table without using your words")
Fun little book BUT it had this gem -
Not that I have any reason to think it would have kept this meaning down to the Professor's time, or that even as an Old English professor he'd have been aware of this particular book (the pre-internet world was SO different even/especially for scholars) - but it's still a neat reference. And such a blade would be useful for cutting rope bonds, I'm sure.
Also, for those reading this today - MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
(basically a short book describing the hand-signs medieval monks used while under silence - basically "how to ask for butter at table without using your words")
Fun little book BUT it had this gem -
... which rather implies I think that the traditional/medievalish sense of "nail-knife" implies a thin, sharp blade that can be used as straight razor.The sign for a nail-knife is that you make with your index finger on your other as if you were cutting, and then stroke with your finger on your cheek as if you were shaving.
Not that I have any reason to think it would have kept this meaning down to the Professor's time, or that even as an Old English professor he'd have been aware of this particular book (the pre-internet world was SO different even/especially for scholars) - but it's still a neat reference. And such a blade would be useful for cutting rope bonds, I'm sure.
Also, for those reading this today - MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
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