Re: training books
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:30 pm
I disagree with your premise that Fiore was/is some how superior to liechtenauer, "style"/"system" is a largely irrelevent term and in large part depends on the individual,as everyone will add or omit something to their personal repetoire and no two people fence the same way
That said, The Berlin sketch book c. 1510 shows unarmed dagger defenses that combine grappling with percussion, incidentally so does Talhoffer and Ringeck. However it should be noted that the audience these manuals were written for would be armoured so percussive strikes would not be as effective. However, no one should infer that a variety of both closed and open hand strikes as well as kicks are not included in the Kunst de Fecthen. There is a very good discussion on the HEMA Alliance forum, linked above, on this subject.
Benjamin Bradak also wrote a very good blog article on "systems"
That said, The Berlin sketch book c. 1510 shows unarmed dagger defenses that combine grappling with percussion, incidentally so does Talhoffer and Ringeck. However it should be noted that the audience these manuals were written for would be armoured so percussive strikes would not be as effective. However, no one should infer that a variety of both closed and open hand strikes as well as kicks are not included in the Kunst de Fecthen. There is a very good discussion on the HEMA Alliance forum, linked above, on this subject.
Benjamin Bradak also wrote a very good blog article on "systems"
